If you remember the transitive property from your math class know that if A=B and B=C, then A=C.
That’s kinda what we’ve got here. We know that MyMarriageMatters.org equals MyMarriageMatters@gmail.com and AshleyMadison equals MyMarriageMatters@gmail.com. Therefore, we can safely conclude that MyMarriageMatters.org = AshleyMadison.
Oh yeah, here’s a copy of the letter from Ryan Hill threatening to sue me. Ironically, his repetitive denials of affiliation with the e-mail account is what caught him in a lie. Thanks Ryan.
So if Ryan didn’t email me (even though the same address was listed on his site), then who did? How about we take a look at what I like to call the Don’t Mess With Jarrod Post. There’s absolutely no reason why Trashy Madison would post a comment conforming prior email correspondence on my blog as Ryan Hill unless they were somehow involved with him.
What does Trashy Madison stand to gain by running a fake anti-Ashley Madison campaign? A lot actually. It’s called expanded advertising. MMM managed to get ad time during the NBA Playoffs. Trashy Madison probably wouldn’t be so fortunate. And if you look at the commercial, you’ll see a little too much Trashy Madison for an anti site.
Let’s not forget that people (divorce attorneys) don’t spend thousands (probably hundreds of thousands) of dollars for you to go to their site and sign a petition. When you go national with your causes, it means that you have a way that people can get actively involved and your organization has been around for more than about two months.
I’ve surfed the web and there’s so many people that called BS upon seeing the MMM commercial. It really didn’t even seem right. I’ve had the privilege of covering this story first hand and there’s other inconsistencies that I will keep to myself since it will be my word v. Ryan.
I honestly believed Ryan when he told me that he didn’t send those emails. However, after it was brought to my attention that Ryan used the same email address on his Facebook badge, I knew he was lying. I knew that he told me he wasn’t connected with the address on the phone, but I had no hard evidence. Then I stumbled back across Ryan’s letter…
I don’t want to hear any crazy theories (well what if a third party hacked into the accounts of both MMM and Trashy Madison?) because I think it’s a relatively simple issue here.
Oh yeah and if you’re still not convinced: tell me who would self fund a national anti-Ashley Madison campaign when your law firm’s site looks like this. By the way according to the letter and his voicemail, he’s the Law Offices of Ryan Hill or Ryan E. Hill, P.L.L.C.
But wait there’s more. Ryan said that he operates a “mid-sized” law firm, but there’s only three people shown on the front page. In fact, there’s not even one attorney named on the site. No attorney profiles or anything. If you search for “Can-Am Legal Services” he seems to be the only one associated with the firm. And if he’s a divorce attorney, then tell me what you see when you click on the areas of practice page.
Let’s not forget that the MyMarriageMatters.org is registered under Domains by Proxy, Inc., a company that specializes in concealing the identity of website registrants.
I could go on and on, but I think you get the point.
And if you’re still not convinced, here’s a cached version of his site with the e-mail address mymarriagematters@gmail.com listed on the Contact Us page. “Someone” later replaced this address with ryan@mymarriagematters.org.
Thanks, Jarrod, for your hard work, excellent insights and dogged determinsm in pointing out this scam. When I first was the “My Marriage Matters” ad on a NBA game, I was encouraged to see someone willing to spend big bucks to support marriage, but was appaled at what I saw when I looked a little further. Nice to know that there are smart guys out there, like you, who can small a rat.
Scott
Thanks, Jarrod for your work. Call me a cynic, but like many others, the first time I saw this ad, I knew it was a stealth Ashley Madison ad. As I said to the Husband, why would anyone who deplores what Ashley Madison is doing promote the site by repeatedly stating its name and concluding the spot by standing in front of a giant placard displaying the URL? How stupid does this guy think we are?
I read your proof and cited your site in a letter to FOX in asking them to reconsider doing business with AM/MMM. I would encourage others to do in kind. I’ve included the text of my letter as an example, and sent it to the news manager so as maybe prompting an exposé by someone there.
Thanks Jerrod.
Mark
To: newsmanager@foxnews.com
It seems that one of your advertisers is not truthful in their goals. I did some brief investigating and came to the conclusion that in order to bring attention to their alternative lifestyle, nothing less than swingers in my opinion, Ashley Madison has created MyMarriageMatters. I refer you to http://www.manogamy.com/ for a pretty strong argument in support of my conclusions. The website that the commercial points to is a shell of an excuse for a site
I would ask you to reconsider your doing business this company when they are clearly attacking the trust that is so fundamental in marriage and appealing to the base of humanity.
Thank you.
Mark S. Gatlin
markgatlin@gmail.com
Looking at the most recent commercial, the fact that the
full AM logo is used only makes it more obvious that MMM = AM. If I
was AM and someone was using my full logo in an anti-advertisement,
I would have sued so fast it would make their head spin. So
yeah…MMM definitely = AM. Dirty trick. Completely in character,
though.
[...] turns out that someone else felt the same skepticism
back in May of last year, as the author of the Manogamy Movement
blog has a few posts that detail his views, along with a
confrontation he had with the man behind [...]
The first time I saw this the MMM ad it struck me as just
just odd – cheap; poorly put together. Then I realized what was
odd. AshleyMadison gets more screen time than the MMM url. Then the
last thing that is a give away for me. At the end of the the spot
there is ashleymadison’s logo/url with a ‘NO’ symbol BEHIND it.
It’s not on top of it which would be logical, but on top where it
is clear. There are things I still find odd. If AM is going to do
this why stick a live person in the commercial and associate the
fake site with a real individual? Why would Ryan, a divorce
attorney, want to promote AM which sells it self as being an
alternative to divorce? The whole thing is just odd.
Hill is an A-1 douche bag. I have had dealings with this ass-clown on and off for awhile. It is no surprise to me that he is involved in something so slimy. Not to mention the guy is a racist red-neck. Catch him in public and listen to the crap that comes out of his mouth, drunk or sober. He gives us Americans a bad name
Thanks for this. I figured I couldn’t be the only one that could see through this.
Thank you for exposing this scam. I am no bible thumper and, at first, I was going to skewer this clown at his web site for hypocrisy and moeny making leachery. However, the web site is just a place with his photo, a clip of the TV commercial and a place to sign a petition. Then, I saw your post.
Thank you for clobbering this clow (named Ryan) and exposing the BS.
Thank you for your work and research.
haha This is the 1st thing I thought when I first saw the ad Im glad someone else thought the same and exposed them on it
Anybody who knows anything about marketing could see through that ad. I just saw it again during the NFC championship game. The URL AshleyMadison.com appears way more than the MyMarriageMatters.com. It even ends with the Madison URL posted OVER a circle slash; you always put it under. Not to mention the fact that the actual trademark logo is used which would open this clown up to all sorts of legal issues. What have we really come to as a society when sites like AshMad stoop to this level?
I just had the pleasure of seeing the mmm ad (on the weather channel)! Immediately my mind went to WTF! My sincere thanks in having someone who had allready investigated the claims! What absolute bull! Even though guy seems to be an idiot, you have to admit the best way to get people to do something is to tell them NOT to do it. So good job there!
He lives in Canada, works for Ashley Madison. How embarassing for him that this scam is busted, but what a clown. Anyone who gives this guy any credibility as a lawyer is equally thick in the skull. A divorce lawyer, posing as someone against divorce, as a marketing ploy for a website that promotes infidelity. Is he stupid? What kind of idiot puts themself in that situation? Nevermind Ashley Madison – Ryan Hill is a flat out idiot for using his real name and profession. A lying douchebag! Very arrogant to think this weak stunt would not be brought down immediately. Crooked and greedy. The guy probably cheats on his wife left and right! How else did he get hooked up with Ashley Madison? He uses her image too – the blonde really is his wife. And they do not have a son. More lies. I am just baffled that he would try to mix reality with fiction. I think it’s very telling. I’m sure – much like the hairclub for men – Ryan Hill can probably say: “I’m not just the spokesperson, I’m also a client.” A quick way to make a buck – but at the expense of his own integrity, reputation and unfortunately – his wife’s dignity. What an embarassment. *shakes head*
Thank you for exposing MMM. I am a married woman whose husband had an account with AM (among others). When I first saw the MMM ad, I had to check it out, needless to say I became quite disappointed upon actually viewing the site. Thank you for showing the true colors of MMM. I only wish there were more guys like you, maybe there would be less women like me, thank you.
Came across this site while researching mymarriagematters.org. Just saw a commercial on Fox News advertising his website that has nothing but the same commercial on it. Not a whole lot of info there- so I decided to do some research. All I can find are forums and links back to this site exposing the fact the mymarriagematters.org, which bashes ashlymadison, is in cahoots with ashleymadison. My question is this, Why would Fox News not investigate the truth behind these accusations before they aired the commercial? That doesn’t make sense to me unless it isn’t a scandal.
Actually, a few stations, including local Fox stations have already pulled the ad.
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local/green_bay/marriage-commercial-questioned
To the extent more stations haven’t pulled it, I call it cowardice.
Here’s the other thing, I looked at their website and they, thus far have 2650 signers of their “petition”, now ad time on MSNBC can’t be cheap, not by a longshot so that would make each one of those 2650 signers VERY expensive per “signature”.
The first time I saw this ad I said to myself “That has to be Ashley Madison trying to be clever with marketing” it just seemed so obvious, the fact that they only have 2650 signers to their “petition” just goes to show that the only people buying this bull are people with no brains, bible thumpers or who knows maybe some of them might be people calling them on their BS, either way it just looks bad all around.
Oh yeah and BT as to your question why “Fox News wouldn’t investigate the accusations before airing the ad?” HUH? what news do you watch? Fox is not “News”, it’s a propaganda arm for the RNC look at the million dollars they admit they gave to the Republican Governors association, not the “Conservative Governors Association”, the REPUBLICAN Governors Association, that alone tells you all you need to know about their “News” operation and how much of an affront it is to actual REAL journalism that they are allowed to use the word “News” in their title.
Ok, i’m off the soap box and glad someone finally confirmed what I knew all along about this sham of a promotion, I will hand it to the AM folks it was a shrewd move.
Wow! This snake also advertizes that there is a gaurentee on a discrete affair.
The scam is so obvious when watching their ads on TV that anyone with half a brain should pick up on it instantly. It took about one minute to confirm it is a scam. I love their website! They ask you to sign a petition but there is no petition. In fact, there’s nothing but one of the TV ads in a video clip. The most prominent thing on ttheir website is the name and website of the organization HE pretends to be against. What a joke!
Just saw the ad on MSNBC earlier and did a Google cause it looked like an advert for AM. This popped up. And yes, it’s got to be a front/scam. It’s not even subtle.
If you click on those petition “signatures” on the MMM site, they’re obviously done by a generator bot.
Great Job on the research guys, I too know Mr. Hill and actually see him out at the courts on a daily basis. I knew something was not right when I started seeing the ads and questioned him. I will start letting his colleagues know what he is up to and see how they react, it is embarrassing. However, I dont think all of the blogs are correct, I know Mr. Hill to be American (As hurtful it may be to think) with a family. I have met his wife and she is very sweet and a great mother. Just wanted to let you guys know and keep up the good work so I can embarrass this guy.
Hi Jarrod,
Are you telling me that Mr. Hill is not telling the truth?! But he is on a TV commercial…how can this be? (Next you’re going to tell me that drinking beer won’t get me women!)
Jarrod….honestly…you need to do something a little more productive with your time. You are not going to stop Ashley Madison…just don’t use the service! I don’t smoke because it can give me cancer, but I’m not acting like an idiot trying to stop the advertising.
PS…I am fairly certain that your girlfriend is not being totally honest with you…I would focus on your own relationship for now.
Ah, another anonymous poster. You comment on this blog and make disparaging comments against my fiancé (not girlfriend as you assert) and me. There are two types of people in this world: people that sit and complain when they don’t like something and people that take action. I happen to be a proud member of the latter. I hope you grow up one day and learn how to post an intelligent, insightful comment with your name attached to it. Until then, please do not post comment on my blog.
No, his home is in Canada and he and his wife (while she is a sweet person) do not have any children. This is a confirmed fact. Just a strange thing to lie about. shreds his credibility as a lawyer and frankly, I could care less who he is promoting. I am just sick of these half-wits getting away with b.s. and zero consequences. Someone make an example out of him. Anyone who uses this man as a lawyer is equally idiotic, end of story.
Troy you might want to check your facts. While I think what he may be doing is disturbing, I see a potential lawsuit on your hands. Just giving you the heads up. Keep up the good work Jarrod!
Thank you for doing the research. I AM a Bible thumper, and I thought it was pretty cool that there would be a pro-marriage commercial. I’m not as sharp as some of your posters. I believed it was real, until I checked out their website.
I am also an active TV watcher and consumer. When I see something offensive or objectionable, I do send emails or letters. I have yet to get a response, but I have seen changes to offensive or objectionable content, which leads me to believe that others are being active consumers too.
hmm… i wasn’t expecting so much vitriol. it is way more disturbing that you all care so fervently about the ad than the ad itself. which is sneaky clever and retrospectively quite hilarious in its satire of, well, websites just like this one. maybe that’s why it’s got you so riled up, other than the whole anti-monogamy thing in general. so what if he stayed in character and denied being connected to ashley madison, but didn’t do a very good job of it and you caught him? huzzah, start an cyber sleuthing agency why don’tcha. i mean, unless you’re dense (read: easy to brainwash at 60 hz) it’s plainly obvious it’s an ad for ashley madison and not some pro-marriage website. now i’m not necessarily anti-monogamy myself, i’m more anti-marriage… as the weird hybrid (probably unconstitutional) religious tradition/social institution that it is today. anyway, monogamy is clearly counter-evolutionary and downright unhealthy. but to each his own, conform as you will! ahem. way off topic, quite possibly the worst place for such a tangent. apologies.
as for the fake pro-marriage ad, it’s no more harmful than anything else on the airwaves these days. dare i say, it’s rather deconstructive and progressive, i like the ambition and creativity. reminds me of early ’00s e-trade commercials where they parodied the sandy beach dude-in-his-mid-40s-with-silvery-hair-and-a-flowy-white-shirt investment ads and portrayed themselves as edgy hackers who could mess with the airwaves and provide an “alternative” investment servuce. it was similarly silly to the MMM ad in its obvious satire, yet nevertheless, those e-trade ads got me almost every time, at least for the first second or two, with the ridiculous stereotypical imagery they employed.
anyway, you ought to spend time and energy attacking other, much more dangerous advertising. such a dating service can only lead to its own destruction by virtue of its intrinsically dubious nature, so i figure leave well enough alone and allow the cosmos its balance. you internet vigilante whackos aren’t going to do anything more than further dismay the misanthropists amongst you. if you’d like a potential target, the loopy tobacco-free PAC running around california these days deserves a critical eye in the blogosphere.
Excellent work exposing Mr. Hill for what he is. I wrote a letter to FOX NEWS protesting the airing of the MMM commercials before I found your site. What I don’t know is whether the commercial is being aired through FOX or through my local cable company. I will contact Time Warner next.
It is my opinion that Mr. Hill’s behavior is not only obvious but slimy as well.
Nice work! After seeing the Ashley Madison/My Marriage Matters ad on TV I immediately suspected that both came from the same entity. That’s why I am here. If they weren’t connected then Ashley Madison should be very thankful to My Marriage Matters because I never heard of it until I saw the dumb commercial. Anyway, it’s nice to know that there are sharp people out there debunking idiotic stuff like this. Now how about debunking the birthers that are constantly after President Obama.
Take care and keep up the good work!
Thanks Steve. Yeah, the birther movement is crazy.
I knew it! The first time I saw that ad I had never even heard of Ashley Madison and it seemed like the ad was doing a better job of getting the Ashley Madison name out than combating it.
It didn’t occur to me that it was because the cable stations won’t run an actual AM commercial, but it makes perfect sense.
Anyone who doesn’t immediately recognize the “mymarriagematter.org” commercial as “Ashley Madison” is borderline retarded.
GOOD WORK on exposing AM for their sleazy new campaign! That site and eerything it stands for DISGUSTS me! How much do you think they paid that sleaze ball to embarass himself in a commercial like that? Its glaringly OBVIOUS its an AM commercial. I divorced my husband after catching him on AM. Ask him now if it was worth it. His membership to that evil site cost him his family, his money, his friends, his reputation and his soul mate. He really believed he wouldnt get caught using AM, since they promise a ‘discreet’ affair. Well all it took to catch him was him accidentally leaving his email account open on the computer. All the emails from AM were right there in his inbox. And it was very easy from there to log into his AM account. Yes it was 100% his fault that he cheated in the first place, but AM and their idiotic ads made him believe affairs were easy, cool, fun, no big deal and that he could do it and not get caught. Well, he got caught really easily. I despise that website. Unfortunately, it probably wont get shut down till a tragedy happens, and a spouse kills their partner when catching them on that site. The way Craigslist only took down their sleazy section after women were murdered. Anyway, keep up the GREAT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for your site and your morals. Fight the good fight, Bud!